The Voice of Zeb and Zarna

Channeling with the Dragon
A dialogue between Caryl and Zeb,
Channeled by Mel

Hello Friends of the Voice:

I know this article is a bit tardy. We usually have something for you at the beginning of the month, but unforeseen circumstances prevented us from our usual post.

What does this message have to do with a dragon? Read on and you will find out....

When Mel began to channel Zeb and Zarna a little over 4 years ago, the method he used was to record in handwriting what Zeb and Zarna would say. In the beginning this worked fine because the messages were short and infrequent. However, we were told very early on, actually in the second message, that the method would change. 

I'm going to share with you that quote. This is not a direct channeling record, but rather Mel restating what Zeb told him. At this point in time he was not officially recording everything that came through--some of his records were more like entries in a journal. 

Mel, about his contact with Zeb. 12-3-02.

"Other information I have been given lately is that one day our method of channeling Zeb (and others) will change. You [Caryl] will be able to act as my guide or proctor while I am in the trance state and communicate with Zeb through me. You will be able to direct me through past life incarnations (and perhaps future) as a guide to my self-induced hypnotic states. I will work the "mechanics" of self-hypnosis and be more responsive to your questions, directions, where to go etc." 

Until June of this year Mel and I were 2000 miles apart and all my questions to Zeb and Zarna, that I did not channel myself, were presented in a written format. Now with Mel here we have adopted the method that we were told about so long ago. 

The purpose of this message is to share with you the fun we have when doing our work. On 9-27-06 we had a channeling session in which we channeled Zeb, asking him several questions. The following is a section of that channeled session where we questioned him about a new format for the website. 

With this new format, Mel does not know the questions I plan to ask before the session. The sessions are recorded in text on the computer using a Voice Activated program  as well as an audio tape recording for back up--both are essential. I simply speak to Zeb or Zarna and now others that often come through. In the following we share with you the humor that Zeb often brings to us during these sessions, how he guides but does not dictate. 

Blessings,
Caryl 

Channeling from Zeb and Zarna, 9-27-06 – Part I – Subject, planning for a new presentation of the ZZ Spirituality Basics for the website

Zeb: > Good morning, Princess. This is Zeb. I understand you both have a few questions for me.  Certainly I have some things I want to give you, and maybe we can do what you have outlined for me to do this morning. Your morning!  I speak so easily now in your timeframe.

What is your first question?  I think you wanted to deal with the 12 points I gave Mel the other night.

Caryl: > That would be a good place to start.

Zeb: > Fine. Mel, I am astounded at you. At times you are so thick headed. I am not a website designer. I am a God. I am not an artistic screen graphic designer. The reason I wanted you to present this idea to Caryl was to get her input on what could be done, not what had to be done. And she is to add her abilities as an artist to make this beautiful.

Oh good you know how to work it now. (speaking to Caryl)

Caryl: > I knew how to work it all along, Zeb.

(Zeb laughs.)

Zeb: > We are always having challenges with your devices. But they are helpful.

Caryl: > When they work. 

Zeb: > Yes, when they work. We were saying, and we will make this very informal. You can copy and transcribe it for the benefit of posterity, if you wish. Certainly this is not something you’d publish to the world. What would it be called?  Zeb’s argument with a dragon! [Actually, we (Melvyn Caryl) were
struggling with the voice activation software called “Dragon Naturally Speaking.”  We sometimes think of it as a real Dragon.]

But we were talking about the 12 points of the ZZ Spirituality. Caryl, it makes no difference to me. In fact, I prefer for you to decide and call upon whomever you wish to use to enable this to be.  It makes no difference if the windows are scrollable. [He is speaking of a website page that is under design.] 

It would be nice if they were singular
Perhaps it could lead off from one central hub, or message on a page or screen. I had in mind that the brief message might be in that screen, but if you can’t get it within one screen, the person who is interested enough to read that one part of the 12 points of the ZZ Spirituality might scroll a little more. Now, in general, what we had in mind was to use one of the 12 points… however you cage this into a package is fine with us. 

These are merely ideas to incubate and to grow.  You see I am always with Mel.  I’m always with you. We know what you are thinking and wanting to ask before you and ask.  

I believe you also wanted us to speak about the Awareness section in the e-book. 

Caryl: > Yes, please.

Mel wanted us to speak of the masculine use of Awareness, the masculine “How To” aspect of Awareness. The idea that I gave Mel can also be used for this article that deals with how the masculine intellect can be so... what word within your vocabulary… so deceptive? You can be misled by your intellect because, this is your mind. This is your brain. Both genders think that they are hearing the truth when they hear it through their ears, through your mind, rather than from your heart through your feelings but you can be misled.

The article seems to have a good catchy title—“When Two Worlds Collide.” It almost sounds like Twin Souls.

Caryl: > It could also mean masculine/feminine. 

Zeb: > This is true, could be Melvin Caryl. You two are so fiery. You are us in so many ways.  So many, many ways, and so many ways we are you.

We are reaching the point in your writing of this e-book, that we want to build upon what we have completed already and go forward. So take Mel’s inspiration, as yet unwritten, that came with a little help from us, and build it into a masculine “How To” for the “Awareness” section. It is a good point, because the male tends to be stronger in ego.  He also tends to be reliant more heavily on the intellect.

Seems like we scared the dragon into working for us.

Give us your direction, Caryl. What do you want to approach first?

Caryl: > What I would like to know is can you give us the 12 points that you feel are the focus of the ZZ Mission. The simplicity of this new idea will be a good addition to the website. Also for the European website that we want to develop. So if you could help us with the statement that would be in the middle. “What is the ZZ Mission?” with the 12 points it would be helpful.

Zeb: > The guiding statement of the ZZ Spirituality can be as follows.

The ZZ Spirituality is about Love. More than this, it is about equality of each individual, not only within him or herself, but with others. It is the humane-ness, the humanity that you bring out that makes you express godliness in the way you demonstrate love.

This does not seem to be exactly what we would have for a center summarization. As usual I am getting to lengthy and wordy.

Caryl: > Yes, but we can work with it.  I like what you’ve said.

Zeb: > We want to have something that is concise. This is challenging because I am really in your realm. And you both are very well suited for what you do together.

Let’s try it a different way. And yes your question relevant to… “Can I identify the 12 points.” There can be 12, 14 or 18 points. Whatever you wish to make it. There is significance in numbers but for this purpose, there is no significance in using one number over the other.

Caryl: > I think the microphone somehow got turned off.

Zeb: > I turned that off because. I didn’t want the dragon to record it.

Caryl: > Oh, I am sorry.

Zeb: > I am learning your tools. The title would be centered in the screen—ZZ Spiritually.  Then the first three words are all important. “Is About Love. It is about equality.  It is about who you are, and what you can be. How you create your own reality by being that which you wish to be.

Highlighted are 12 steps that will encompass the fundamentals. The basics of The ZZ Spirituality.

#1 is Love, yet love has many aspects.  Love your self.  Learn to love you and others as you love yourself. 

#2 is about equality or balance. We are talking about balancing the inner with the outer. (The spiritual with the physical. The masculine with the feminine.) Not only with each other, but within the physically incarnated being that you are. The ZZ Message teaches how to achieve this balance in all things spiritual and physical. 

#3 It is about Sovereignty--being who you are, not what someone else wants you to be. Finding that strength and expressing that strength from within to your outer world. It is about who you…

Mel seems to be having some difficulty [coughing] but we will work around it. We have three points.

Caryl: > (talking to the dragon) Wake up please.

Zeb: > I don’t want him to wake up.

Caryl: > Oh, I am sorry.

Zeb: > I know how to use your dragon.

Caryl: > Okay. (laughs)

Zeb: > In fact, we are going to start calling him Fafnir. Do you know who Fafnir was? 

Caryl: > No.

Zeb: > Mel’s education is expensive. Beyond his education is his exposure to the English language, to history, to Fafnir.  We have fun pulling these things out.  It is a treasure trove of symbols that we can use.  Fafnir was a dragon in the Norse mythology.

Caryl: > Oh.

Zeb: > Fafnir was a speaking, talking dragon that others were constantly trying to outwit because Fafnir sat on a horde of gold and jewels. So this thing is now Fafnir.

Caryl: > Okay, we have a new name.

Zeb: > Wake Up! [This is an activation command recognized by the software. Since Zeb used Mel’s voice, he can, and now does command it.]

Caryl: > He did not wake up.

Zeb: > Wake Up!

Zeb: > Fafnir is hard to wake up.

Caryl: > Oh look, the dragon knows Fafnir—he spelled it right.

Zeb: > The Dragon knows himself.  It is very difficult to put the primary points of any spiritual system into simple numbers.  Next to sovereignty, is knowing how to create your own reality.  Now it’s up to you to coin how these phrases are used. If you can get by make the coinage of these phrases in 3or 4 words on your computer screen, that would be good.  The image I had that I gave to Mel, was that you could look at a central message, perhaps from Zarna or me.  I think Zarna would be more appropriate to give her little blurb…

Zarna: > Little blurb! Is that what you wish to call what I have to say?

(Caryl laughs)

Zeb: > Sorry, your introductions. (You can hear the smile in Zeb’s voice.) 

Zarna: > Fine, I except that.

Zeb: > Now stay out of my mind for a second. 

We wish to present something that is simple. Caryl, it’s like some of the soups that you make that are so delicious. You boil it down to where you’ve got the ingredients and the essence of what it is. So boil the ZZ Spirituality down to its elements, its raw essence is no easy task. And don’t by any means put upon yourself the unnecessary timetable that this go out in that short period of time. 

Think about it. The idea is right to where you can include in a working module 12 points, or 7 or 9. Stay with the prime numbers. Each of those numbers has significance. There’s significance in 12 because there are 12 soul groups. Beyond that there is significance that we don’t want to publish because there are those who will get into the numerology rather than the essence of what is to be learned.

Fafnir is finally awake.

Caryl: > So are you saying that we should choose these points and that there could be only 7 or 9?

Zeb: > Yes.  The essence of what I wished to present through Mel was not a number, was not even a key, but the concept of a central theme, and radiating out from that theme are points that would be easily identifiable as the foundation principles to the ZZ Spirituality.

What I do not want you to do, Princess, is when you get to 10 or 11 to be pushing it to find out what you can do to fill in another number. It doesn’t matter if it’s 9!  If you have the key elements, there is no point in going any farther. It is the concept of the radiating out, and coming back, radiating and coming back, leading always back to the center… to hope! … It could be that within the messages there are many things that have been said in the past that would provide an inspiration for the theme.

It could be through any of your poets that defined man’s relationship to God. So use your own judgment. Take your time. Do not get into a push. You have other things that are more important that we need to work on, we want to work on, and these things will be. 

This is like something that you can plug in when you’re ready, when it’s ready, that will answer some of the basic questions.  It won’t answer all of “What Is” at the basic public level of the ZZ Spirituality, but it will answer a lot, and it will give a key to someone who wants to know.  Maybe even give them enough to where they can dig into certain subjects.

Fafnir has lost his margins on both sides… or are they centered?

Caryl: > Okay, then we should come up with a list and then check back with you?

Zeb: > If you wish, you can come up with a list and we can work on it together.  I don’t mind being part of your team.

(Caryl laughs)

Zeb: >  I’m not the director remember.  Remember always, you two are on the firing lines. You two are the ones who are making the ZZ Mission become a reality. So what we will do is to give you the strength and energy, and occasionally the connection that you need with others and with us.  Like Maythr.

Why is Maythr so unique that he can come to your present?  Maythr is not doing that on his own. We are bringing him forward, because Maythr is an important individual of your Composite. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of individuals who have fed into your being, into Who You Are, that we could just as easily bring forward. We have helped key individuals of your Composite to speak, and since Maythr has become such a personality, a regular within the healing sphere, we have made it possible that he could cross this barrier easily and Teenot has the same ability.  (Maythr and Teenot are past life members of Mel and Caryl’s Composite.)

Now I am getting sidetracked again as usual.  Get us back on track, Princess.

Caryl: > Okay, I had a few points that I had jotted down. I went through some of the Messages to help me come up with a list and here are a few.  Mother/ Father God. 

Zeb: > Excellent.

Mother/Father God as a point of The ZZ spirituality. Excellent. Yes, this is a key point, a key foundation that we bring back. Put the Goddess in her rightful position alongside God. Be that an incarnated god and goddess, such as you and Mel, or any who are within a loving relationship of equality. The masculine should never overrule, or over ride the feminine, no more so than the feminine should override the masculine. Equality is the key. Your next point, Princess.

Caryl: > The voice within. Each individual should learn to hear Mother/Father God on their own. Even the title of the website is “The Voice.” I feel that this is something that sets the ZZ Message apart from others for we encourage this.

Zeb: > “The Voice.” Another excellent choice. For only when one is able to connect with their inner being can they bring that which is within…out. Only when one is able to connect the spirituality within them can they demonstrate spirituality in the physical realm. It begins with balance. You might perhaps say that is redundant. I don’t know if it would be or not. It all comes back to balance.

Caryl: > To be quite honest, they all come around in a circle… Mother/Father God, Balance, Twin Souls…. I mean it all comes around and one connects to the other.

Zeb: >   Exactly. The circle is a cycle, within a cycle, within a cycle. We have use these terms, these metaphors, since the beginning of our speaking with you for a reason.

All is a cycle. All is within a cycle. The individual incarnations of your Composite Soul, have been cycles. That Composite Soul goes through cycles. Your ages are cycles. 

I will now try to clarify the point of what we are saying by using a very early example. Remember the article about time where we had said that time is a coil that spins like a….what is your toy… that childhood toy…

Caryl: > Slinky?

Zeb: > Yes, a slinky toy…thank you. You’re not going around in circles where you will eventually repeat on the same plane. But as you complete a cycle, you have made a revolution up the next coil. Each cycle is a progression in a long series of events. 

So as your ages and your times go through these cycles, they don’t return to the beginning. The starting point they return to is slightly ahead of where the last one left off. It is difficult for me to explain. I don’t know if you’ll understand this clearly. But reread the old article about time and see it from the perspective of how all things--including these basic points are a cycle. 

The reason we presented these in Mel’s mind in a rectangular shape, is that your computer screen is not a circle. If you can devise it in a circle on that square screen, then do so. Even though this circle implies an unbroken line that goes back to where it began, this is not a perfect example because it really doesn’t. It is a coil. The ending is not where the beginning is. There is no ending. And if you think of an infinitely long slinky toy, you will realize that with each coil, there is no beginning or end, nor is there a break in the continuity.

Maybe through all that we have given Fafnir, you’ll find something that is of value to work with.  Your next question to put us back on track…. 

Caryl: > Oneness.

Zeb: > “We are all one” has to do with the cycle, the circle again. It is an excellent point.  You see each one of these points is excellent. There is not a single one that you have identified, or will yet identify, that I can say, “No that is not what you want.”

You are the Goddess to determine where we go, what is to be. How we are to present it. Even Melvin is not the one to determine. He is our spokesperson. So you can find what we wish to do….

Fafnir has croaked!  

(Caryl laughs)

Caryl: > It appears that we have maxed out the program’s allowed text characters. I believe we have to start a new document.

End of Part I – continues in Part II

This is only a sample of a transcript. This complete session filled a 90 minute cassette tape where we covered several other subjects. We hope you have enjoyed being included in this Zeb planning session. As you see, our Gods have a sense of humor that makes our work enjoyable.

With love to you all,
Melvyn Caryl 

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