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Hello Caryl:

It would be great if you would ask Zeb & Zarna who created them since everything and everyone has to have some type of beginning… I know that the Bible says that God has no beginning and no ending, but it is very illogical for something to not have a beginning.

If God (Zeb and Zarna) were the first two beings in existence before they created otherlife-forms, other souls, then who or what created them. Furthermore, who created the creator of Zeb and Zarna and on and on and on…

Is Earth the only planet in which most spirit world beings enter into physical bodies with the veil of forgetfulness about all of what they did and said in all of their past lives…?

How much money would you charge me for doing a psychic reading on me for the purpose of telling me all about who I was in some or all of my past lives by getting those answers directly from Zeb and Zarna?

Yours Truly,
Kent Starchild.

Hello Kent:

Thank you for your continued interest in what Zeb & Zarna have to say. I know with so many different ideas about life, creation and God it can be confusing. I will try to answer this question as best I can. And some of your other questions will eventually come from ZZ and be posted on the site. The ZZ Message is an unfolding revelation. Mel and I do not know it all…we are Seekers of the ZZ Wisdom just as you are. However, we completely trust that what they are telling us is true.

About doing a reading. At this time we are not doing readings, however, we will eventually. There is a time frame that Zeb & Zarna have spelled out for us. Past life readings, and healing will be something that we will do and teach, but not for sometime. The best we can do, and what we would prefer, is to help others learn to tap this knowledge within themselves so that they too will have contact with their guides and guardians. With practice and openness, everyone can do this.

Regarding the question were we incarnate…? No. Earth is not the only place of physical incarnation. There are vast numbers of universes and worlds other then earth where souls can choose to experience physicality. With all such incarnations, the memory of past lives are held with the Composite Soul. Otherwise what would be the challenge? There are also many other dimensions and alternate realities—but that is a topic for another article.

To begin to answer your first question, let’s start with a quote from ZZ.

Zeb> 67: 2. Allow us to repeat, there is but only One God, and we are all part of, Creations of, that one God. Thus it is true to say that every man, woman and child that lives and has ever lived on your planet is part of God, therefore is God. Every one. There is not one singular person who has ever lived who was not of God and could claim (if they were aware of it) "I and my Father [and Mother] are One."

Zeb:> 67: 8. Before we go into the levels of creation allow us a moment of review to clarify who WE ARE and who I AM: God is what you would call a multiverse entity. So are we. So are you all.

Yes, you do have it right. Zeb & Zarna are Gods, but so are you.

Outside of the creation of new souls, exactly what else Zeb & Zarna are responsible for creating is unclear. However, there are clues that I will share with you in a moment.

I do know that they have “Materialized” on earth, (what we have always thought to be “angels” in the past) but have never incarnated on this earth for their incarnational cycle was completed long before our earth was populated. Their incarnation cycles were millions of years ago, on other planets that no longer exists. The survivors from those planets were some of the original colonizers of this planet. Physically these ‘others’ looked like us, were like us because we are from them. You can read of this in Atlantis: Was not God’s Destruction. And Extraterrestrials: Are They Gods?

Zeb> 67: 47. We speak to our spiritual soul parents just as you, and like you we, still have our Guides, but in your concept of time, we were there before the beginning of your time. Worlds also have a soul life and live an existence like yours--with a beginning, middle and an end.

I will give you a short sketch of what they have said so far about their status within the hierarchy of God. This is not to be confused with other groups and their teaching of a hierarchy. However, these other groups may have come to their understanding from misinterpreted holy texts of the past.

As you read above, Zeb & Zarna explain that they are very ancient by our standards. Just to give you perspective—they tell us that Mel and I, by earth-time calculation, are approximately 3 million years old. So if we are that old, and Zeb & Zarna are our spiritual parents, then they are really old.

This is how I understood it when I wrote this answer, but since then we have received new information about the term Grand Cycle. What we learned is that there is a difference between a Grand Cycle of the Universe, and the Grand Cycle of the experiential self. We, Mel and I thought Zeb and Zarna were speaking of the same thing. A Grand Cycle of The Universe takes a million years, but an experiential Grand Cycle of the individuated soul can take much longer -- Whew! I am older than I thought! Let me paste the section here.

2-27-05

91B:29. Many are not able to grasp even one experiencing Grand Cycle of the individuated soul, for this is not a specific number of years (a thousand millennia) but the required number of years to accomplish an experiential task in development.

34. You two are in your third Grand Cycle of your soul's experiencing, but that does not mean that you are only three million years old. Your soul is without time or age or space limitations. You are in your third of seven Grand Cycles that have covered the physical realm. You were in your first Grand Cycle before the Earth was even the stellar dust from which it is formed. Your final four Grand cycles will be ascended to our level and above.

So you see, we continue to learn as ZZ expands our awareness. We will continue with the article...

So let me start by making clear how these relationships connect by using the analogy of the sun and energy.

The sun is a huge ball of energy. And one can assume that the middle of the sun is supper hot! J (Very technical term, huh? Okay, so I am an artisan, not a scientist!) There are sun storms and flairs—but they are all part of the sun. In fact the sun gives off rays that travel huge distance through our solar system. These too are parts of the sun—the same energy, just of a lesser intensity--but still part of the sun. Right?

God is kind of like the sun. In fact, in ancient religions the sun has often been worshiped for just this reason—unfortunately instead of the believers understanding that the sun was given as a metaphor of a spiritual reality—the God “Source” and its emanations —they actually began to worship the sun.

The hot center of the sun is like The God Source, The All Thing—The Consortium of Seven. It doesn’t matter what you call it. They don’t care. Sun flairs and storms are like those highly evolved spirit beings that function and reside near the Source--connected to, but have individuality and independent identity.

We in physicality, the experiential part of God, are like the sun rays. Sun energy can manifest in many ways, and so can God. We are a spark of the Whole of God. You see?

Now here is where this example kind of falls flat. The rays of the sun travel outward but don’t—as far as I know—come back or return to the sun. As beings that are parts of God, we go out from our Source and eventually return. We go out and experience, until we have finished our soul development, and then we start on the long road back to the Source—The Consortium. The signal that this is about to happen, at least for those who have planned reunion, is Twin Soul reunion. Twins are reunited when they are ready to begin the journey back to the Source—this is kind of like a graduation. We are “moving on up” so to speak—though Zeb tells us that ascension is not movement “up” but “inward.”

It is important to note here that some very evolved souls will not unite with their twin on this side because they have not charted their life plan in this way, but will unite with their spiritual mate on the Otherside. It is important that we not use Twin Soul Reunion as a measure of another’s spiritual evolution.

So, if you think of God in terms of energy, this is good because it is, and we are—then it is easy to see how we are all part of this energy system.

I am guessing here, but some may have difficulty with the use of earthly terminology to describe spiritual concepts—or I should say Zeb does. (Like Creator Gods, and Parents, Grandparents etc...) But “Our God” at all levels—with the exception of the physical beings who are incarnated—are not mortal beings, not anthropomorphic--but intelligent, individuated degrees of energy vibrating at different frequencies.

WE ARE LIGHT! Pinpoints of light. The Whole of God is—Masculine Divine Intelligence, and Feminine Creative Force. The masculine/feminine is reflected in all creation, spirit and physical matter as the positive/negative force. We prefer to call this all positive—Masculine / Feminine balance.

Were Zeb & Zarna creators of our universe? I don’t think so; however I don’t believe they have ever said. I think this is because we have the understanding that the Source is responsible for this—we could be mistaken for it is possible that all Gods of the hierarchy near the Source had a part in this creation. Our universe is one of, not twelve as some believe, but countless others. So it is possible.

There are many even higher evolved beings above the Mental Plane and just below The Consortium who are much older than Zeb & Zarna—however, as these higher beings channel information to us, Zeb & Zarna filter or transform the power of their energy vibrations so that we will not be harmed. We have been able to channel these beings on several occasion, but only when they decide to come through, and they refer to them selves as the “No Names” because they were created before there were any names—so they tell us.

I know this is probably frustrating. It would be nice to have a book that outlines these concepts, but we have not written it yet for we are still processing information that comes to us. We have talked about a self-published compilation of the ZZ Messages offered to visitors on the site for a reasonable fee—this would possibly help for the time being. We will see. Until then we will try to answer your questions.

One thing that Mel and I have learned from ZZ is that creation is so vast and complex that we would literally drive ourselves mad, as in crazy, trying to grasp it all. Here is a ZZ passage that mentions this.

ZZ 61:15. Then there is the challenge your kind faces; you can only understand concepts within the limits of your species on your planet. You cannot even begin to comprehend the vastness of the magnitude of your species within your universe with your mind, much less the vastness of all other species, and when you throw in multidimensionality in on top of that? Well, you are just not ready for all of it, but we will take you the next step.

So let me give you a little of what I know about ZZ’s placement within hierarchy. Remember the members of the hierarchy are like the rays or emanations of the sun metaphor I just gave you. We have already talked about the 12 Soul Groups on this site—each of these Soul Groups has many, many Mission Groups clusters, and within each of them, many Twin Soul Families. Each Mission Group has an Oversoul (kind of a junior Oversoul). The Twelve Oversouls of the Twelve Soul Groups have ascended to the Mental Plane. All those on the Mission Group level (Astral Plane) including the Jr. Oversouls, are still incarnating. When the individual incarnation cycle is complete, the individual unites with their Twin Soul, and then with all the others of their incarnational personalities (all the “yous” of your Composite Soul) and you ascend to the Mental Plane. You can find more about this in Comprehensive Guide to the Twin Soul.

Here is a listing of the lower end of the hierarchy—starting from the bottom and moving up.

The individual incarnational personality
The Twin Soul
The Composite Soul
Twin Soul Family (Near Twins)
The Mission Group Oversoul
The Soul Group Oversoul
The Over-Oversoul (Zeb & Zarna)

These are the Creator Gods that procreate souls for all biologicals—all physical beings including what some call aliens or ETs. They are biologicals too. We are all of the same spirit form and between incarnations return to the Astral.

As I said, between Zeb & Zarna and The Grand Consortium there are other highly evolved beings called “NO Names” that we will only speak of briefly in this article.

Zeb>67:49. Beyond or within our level are other levels—other inner-multiverses which have NO NAME. There are no names you are capable of speaking. Call them what you will for they are all realms of the One God who has many aspects… these realms are actually One.

What we haven’t talked about much on this site is the Source or what ZZ terms The Grand Consortium of Seven. Others call this The Source.

As we have said all along, we are seekers just like you and sometimes we misunderstand what comes to us. This is the case in this instance... My misunderstanding about Zeb and Zarna's spiritual parentage came from a statement made in one of the Messages where I though the, "One Mother, the Mother of all your kind," who also is Zeb and Zarna's spiritual parents, was the a statement from the Consortium. I will let you read how Zeb corrected me.

Zeb:> 94: 21. In Caryl's recent Article "Where Does Zeb and Zarna Come From?" she was quite naturally misled by the One Mother of the second realm (Our Spiritual Parents, not our Spiritual Grand Parents who are part of the Consortium). How? By the words "of All Your Kind." The One Mother (let us call Her the 'Overall Mother') of all biologicals resides on the Consortium "level." Yet she is the Mother of all biologicals that include Soul beings and non-soul beings.

22. The split or production of her daughter (Zarna's and my Spiritual Mother) created the "One Mother of All Your Kind" (ie., soul bearing entities).

So according to this, Zeb and Zarna's parents are just below the Grand Consortium. I am sorry for the error.

These numbers are just my way of keeping track—19 means ZZ Message # 19, paragraph 18…

Zeb:> 19:18. Another tidbit for you to consider. Your God is not the God of all, but an equal of a Consortium of Others.

Zeb:> 20: 11. "The Emerald Tablet" as you call it is an important document for it is one of the oldest of its kind. Yet, it is not alone in this context--neither is what you call the "One Thing." In our last contact we referred to The Consortium of things you term as "God." (The All Thing, The One Thing, The Primary Source)

20: 12. Where you get confused is in the attempt to quantify "God" as "One." You are not "One," neither are you "Three," nor are you a "Legion." You are all of this and more. You are, as we are. I am Zeb, the One Zeb, yet I am a twin with Zarna. Together we are Two. Our love makes us Three, yet we are Legion. Do not become too attached to quantifying numbers for in one sense they are correct, in another incorrect.

13. What you call God, The Big God, is the "All Thing."…God is a power of light and darkness--more complex than human understanding. The complexity of this energy vibration is such that all biologicals--those created by the twin-soul energy split, not just humans, can trace their source to one of the seven powers, entities, beings called by your kind, God, that work in perfect harmony as One. Each One concerned with its own kind--like the spokes of a great wheel. Yet that "kind" [other created beings] is as diverse as you are from the Grays, as you call them.

20: 16. The One Thing [The Consortium] is not a God of judgment, condemnation, commandments, or wrath and vengeance--nor does "He/She/It" exert "His/Her/Its" will over your free will. What purpose would there be in giving you free will if that were the case? We are all created and sent out to create, experience and become God's Messengers in whatever way we are able…

20: 19. The separate powers or entities of God (The Consortium of Seven) have all the same unlimited ability, but focus on their own kind, their creations. This is where your understanding is unclear. The energy God of the biologicals is not concerned with the creations of gaseous natures--you have an expression that is appropriate here: "To each his own."

20. A being, intelligent, entity created of argon is too "alien" for you to even imagine, except in the most abstract sense, and even then your first thought is in comparison. Which one is superior? Superiority is something that is common to many humanoid types about your galaxies. Usually they are the spiritually un-evolved types.

21. It is because of this nature that your kind represents a threat to the innocent, alien ET's like the Grays. Why do you think that your contact with ET's has been so limited? Surely you are not foolish enough to believe that you are the only intelligence in all of the universe?

22. There are many things that have special healing and protection properties, and there are some question whether this is true without realizing that part of the One God Consortium is the One over the mineral elements on all the worlds. They are just as much a part of God as are those of the biological variety (us and you).

I know that this does not completely answer all your questions, (like where did The Consortium come from? I don’t know). Often when we ask things out of ZZ’s idea of proper sequence we get an answer such as: “You aren’t ready for that yet.” But it is a beginning and gives one something to consider. As I understand it, one of the seven of the Consortium is our original spiritual progenitor--the One Mother/One Father, Twin Soul duality--the bioligicals original spiritual parents. In terms of generations—I believe we—Mel and I—would be the great great-grandchildren to the Source.

Of course we are (Mel and I)—in terms of incarnation—old or Mature Souls. In the grand scheme of things we were told by the “No Names” that we are still in preschool. J This should give a little perspective.

So friends and family, this in an outline of the hierarchy—but it must be understood that though there are progressions of spiritual evolution, a hierarchy of evolved souls, we are never considered by those who came before us or have evolved beyond us, as less than them. In fact the opposite is true. I will now close this article with a quote on this from Zarna.

53:19 … As you are to your Composite Soul, you are to us. You are the perfection, the collimation, of All of us and therefore carry more development progression than all your spiritual and physical mothers. You are more than we--not less, as you assume.

With our love and blessings,
Melvyn Caryl

2/16/05

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