It would be great if you would ask Zeb & Zarna who
created them since everything and everyone has to have some
type of beginning… I know that the Bible says that
God has no beginning and no ending, but it is very illogical for
something to not have a beginning.
God (Zeb and Zarna) were the first two beings in existence before
they created otherlife-forms, other souls, then who or what
created them. Furthermore, who created the creator of Zeb
and Zarna and on and on and on…
Earth the only planet in which most spirit world beings enter
into physical bodies with the veil of forgetfulness about all of
what they did and said in all of their past lives…?
much money would you charge me for doing a psychic reading on me
for the purpose of telling me all about who I was in some or all
of my past lives by getting those answers directly from Zeb and
Thank you for your continued interest in what Zeb & Zarna have
to say. I know with so many different ideas about life, creation
and God it can be confusing. I will try to answer this question as
best I can. And some
of your other questions will eventually come from ZZ and be posted
on the site. The ZZ Message is an unfolding revelation. Mel and I
do not know it all…we are Seekers of the ZZ Wisdom just as you
are. However, we completely trust that what they are telling us is
About doing a reading. At this time we are not doing readings,
however, we will eventually. There is a time frame that Zeb &
Zarna have spelled out for us. Past life readings, and healing
will be something that we will do and teach, but not for sometime.
The best we can do, and what we would prefer, is to help others
learn to tap this knowledge within themselves so that they too
will have contact with their guides and guardians. With practice
and openness, everyone can do this.
the question were we incarnate…? No. Earth is not the only place
of physical incarnation. There are vast numbers of universes and
worlds other then earth where souls can choose to experience
physicality. With all such incarnations, the memory of past lives
are held with the Composite Soul. Otherwise what would be the
challenge? There are also many other dimensions and alternate
realities—but that is a topic for another article.
begin to answer your first question, let’s start with a quote
67: 2. Allow us to repeat, there is but only One
God, and we are all part of, Creations of, that one God. Thus
it is true to say that every man, woman and child that
lives and has ever lived on your planet is part of God, therefore
is God. Every one. There is not one singular person who has
ever lived who was not of God and could claim (if they were aware
of it) "I and my Father [and Mother] are One."
67: 8. Before we go into the levels of creation allow us a moment
of review to clarify who WE ARE and who I AM: God is what you
would call a multiverse entity. So are we. So are you all.
you do have it right. Zeb & Zarna are Gods, but so are you.
of the creation of new souls, exactly what else Zeb & Zarna are
responsible for creating is unclear. However,
there are clues that I will share with you in a moment.
know that they have “Materialized” on earth, (what we have
always thought to be “angels” in the past) but have never
on this earth for their incarnational cycle was completed long
before our earth was populated. Their incarnation cycles were
millions of years ago, on other planets that no longer exists. The
survivors from those planets were some of the original colonizers
of this planet. Physically these ‘others’ looked like us, were
like us because we are from them. You can read of this in Atlantis: Was not God’s Destruction.
And Extraterrestrials: Are They
67: 47. We speak to our spiritual soul parents just as you, and
like you we, still have our Guides, but in your concept of time, we
were there before the beginning of your time.
Worlds also have a soul life and live an existence like
yours--with a beginning, middle and an end.
will give you a short sketch of what they have said so far about
their status within the hierarchy of God. This is not to be
confused with other groups and their teaching of a hierarchy.
However, these other groups may have come to their understanding
from misinterpreted holy texts of the past.
you read above, Zeb & Zarna explain that they are very ancient
by our standards. Just to give you perspective—they tell us that
Mel and I, by earth-time calculation, are approximately 3 million
years old. So if we are that
old, and Zeb & Zarna are our spiritual parents, then they are really
is how I understood it when I wrote this answer, but since then we
have received new information about the term Grand Cycle. What
we learned is that there is a difference between a Grand Cycle of
the Universe, and the Grand Cycle of the experiential self. We,
Mel and I thought Zeb and Zarna were speaking of the same
thing. A Grand Cycle of The Universe takes a million years,
but an experiential Grand Cycle of the individuated soul can take
much longer -- Whew! I am older than I thought! Let me paste
the section here.
Many are not able to grasp even one experiencing Grand Cycle of
the individuated soul, for this is not a specific number of years
(a thousand millennia) but the required number of years to
accomplish an experiential task in development.
34. You two are in
your third Grand
Cycle of your soul's experiencing, but that does not mean
that you are only three million years
old. Your soul is without time or age
or space limitations. You are in your third of seven Grand Cycles
that have covered the physical realm. You were in your first Grand
Cycle before the Earth was even the stellar dust from which it is
formed. Your final four Grand cycles will be ascended to our level
you see, we continue to learn as ZZ expands our awareness.
We will continue with the article...
let me start by making clear how these relationships connect by
using the analogy of the sun and energy.
The sun is a huge ball of energy. And one can assume that the
middle of the sun is supper
(Very technical term, huh? Okay, so I am an artisan, not a
scientist!) There are sun storms and flairs—but they are all
part of the sun. In fact the sun gives off rays that travel huge
distance through our solar system. These too are parts of the
sun—the same energy, just of a lesser intensity--but still part
of the sun. Right?
is kind of like the sun. In fact, in ancient religions the sun has
often been worshiped for just this reason—unfortunately instead
of the believers understanding that the sun was given as a
metaphor of a spiritual reality—the God “Source”
and its emanations —they actually began to worship the sun.
hot center of the sun is like The God Source, The
All Thing—The Consortium of Seven.
It doesn’t matter what you call it. They don’t care. Sun
flairs and storms are like those highly evolved spirit beings that
function and reside near the Source--connected to, but have
individuality and independent identity.
We in physicality, the experiential part of God, are like the sun rays. Sun energy
can manifest in many ways, and so can God. We are a spark of the Whole
of God. You see?
Now here is where this example kind of falls flat. The rays of the
sun travel outward
but don’t—as far as I know—come back or return to the sun.
As beings that are parts of God, we go out from our Source
and eventually return. We go out and experience, until we have
finished our soul development, and then we start on the long road back to the Source—The
Consortium. The signal that this is about to happen, at
least for those who have planned reunion, is Twin Soul reunion.
Twins are reunited when they are ready to begin the journey back
to the Source—this is kind of like a graduation. We are “moving
on up” so to speak—though Zeb tells us that ascension is not movement
is important to note here that some very evolved souls will not unite with their twin
on this side because they have not charted their life plan in this
way, but will unite with their spiritual mate on the Otherside. It
is important that we not use Twin Soul Reunion as a measure of
another’s spiritual evolution.
So, if you think of God in terms of energy, this is good because
it is, and we are—then it is easy to see how we are all part of
this energy system.
I am guessing here, but some may have difficulty with the use of earthly terminology
to describe spiritual concepts—or I should say Zeb does. (Like Creator
Gods, and Parents, Grandparents etc...) But “Our God” at all
levels—with the exception of the physical beings who are
incarnated—are not mortal beings, not anthropomorphic--but
intelligent, individuated degrees of energy vibrating at different
WE ARE LIGHT!
Pinpoints of light. The
Whole of God is—Masculine Divine Intelligence, and
Feminine Creative Force. The masculine/feminine is reflected in all
creation, spirit and physical matter as the positive/negative
force. We prefer to call this all positive—Masculine / Feminine balance.
Were Zeb & Zarna creators of our universe? I don’t think so;
however I don’t believe they have ever said. I think this is
because we have the understanding that the Source
is responsible for this—we could be mistaken for it is possible
Gods of the hierarchy near the Source
had a part in this creation. Our universe is one of, not twelve as
some believe, but countless others. So it is possible.
There are many even higher evolved beings above the Mental Plane
and just below The
Consortium who are much older than Zeb & Zarna—however,
as these higher beings channel information to us, Zeb & Zarna
filter or transform the power of their energy vibrations so that
we will not be harmed. We have been able to channel these beings
on several occasion, but only when they
decide to come through, and they refer to them selves as the “No
Names” because they were created before there were any
names—so they tell us.
know this is probably frustrating. It would be nice to have a book
that outlines these concepts, but we have not written it yet for
we are still processing information that comes to us. We have
talked about a self-published compilation of the ZZ Messages
offered to visitors on the site for a reasonable fee—this would
possibly help for the time being. We
will see. Until then we will try to answer your questions.
One thing that Mel and I have learned from ZZ is that creation is
so vast and complex that we would literally drive ourselves mad,
as in crazy,
trying to grasp it all. Here is a ZZ passage that mentions this.
ZZ 61:15. Then
there is the challenge your kind faces; you can only understand
concepts within the limits of your species on your planet. You
cannot even begin to comprehend the vastness of the magnitude of your
species within your universe with your mind, much less the
vastness of all other
species, and when you throw in multidimensionality in on top of
that? Well, you are just not ready for all of it, but we will take
you the next step.
let me give you a little of what I know about ZZ’s placement
within hierarchy. Remember the members of the hierarchy are like
the rays or emanations of the sun metaphor I just gave you. We
have already talked about the 12 Soul Groups on this site—each
of these Soul Groups has many, many Mission Groups clusters, and
within each of them, many Twin Soul Families. Each Mission Group
has an Oversoul (kind of a junior Oversoul). The Twelve Oversouls
of the Twelve Soul Groups have ascended to the Mental Plane. All
those on the Mission Group level (Astral Plane) including the Jr.
Oversouls, are still incarnating. When the individual
incarnation cycle is complete, the individual unites with their
Twin Soul, and then with all the others of their incarnational
personalities (all the “yous” of your Composite Soul) and you
ascend to the Mental Plane. You can find more about this in Comprehensive Guide to the Twin Soul.
Here is a listing of the lower end of the hierarchy—starting
from the bottom and moving up.
individual incarnational personality
The Twin Soul
The Composite Soul
Twin Soul Family
The Mission Group Oversoul
The Soul Group Oversoul
The Over-Oversoul (Zeb & Zarna)
These are the Creator Gods that procreate souls for all
biologicals—all physical beings including what some call aliens
or ETs. They are
biologicals too. We are all of the same spirit form and between
incarnations return to the Astral.
I said, between Zeb & Zarna and The Grand Consortium there are other highly evolved beings
Names” that we will only speak of briefly in this
Zeb>67:49. Beyond or within our
level are other levels—other inner-multiverses which have NO
There are no names you are capable
of speaking. Call them what you will for they are all realms
of the One God who has many aspects… these realms are actually
we haven’t talked about much on this site is the Source or what
ZZ terms The
Grand Consortium of Seven. Others call this The Source.
we have said all along, we are seekers just like you and sometimes
we misunderstand what comes to us. This is the case in this
instance... My misunderstanding about Zeb and Zarna's spiritual
parentage came from a statement made in one of the Messages where
I though the, "One Mother, the Mother of all your kind,"
who also is Zeb and Zarna's spiritual parents, was the a
statement from the Consortium. I will let you read how Zeb
94: 21. In Caryl's
recent Article "Where Does Zeb and Zarna Come From?" she
was quite naturally misled by the One Mother of the second realm
(Our Spiritual Parents, not our Spiritual Grand Parents who are
part of the Consortium). How? By the words "of All Your
Kind." The One Mother (let us call Her the 'Overall Mother')
of all biologicals resides on the Consortium
"level." Yet she is the Mother of all biologicals that
include Soul beings and non-soul beings.
22. The split or
production of her daughter (Zarna's and my Spiritual Mother)
created the "One Mother of All Your Kind" (ie.,
soul bearing entities).
according to this, Zeb and Zarna's parents are just below the
Grand Consortium. I am sorry for the error.
These numbers are just my way of keeping track—19 means ZZ
Message # 19, paragraph 18…
19:18. Another tidbit for you to consider. Your God is not the God
of all, but an equal of a Consortium
20: 11. "The Emerald Tablet" as you call it is an
important document for it is one of the oldest of its kind. Yet,
it is not alone in this context--neither is what you call the
"One Thing." In our last contact we referred to The
Consortium of things you term as "God." (The All Thing,
The One Thing, The Primary Source)
20: 12. Where you get
confused is in the attempt to quantify "God" as
"One." You are not "One," neither are you
"Three," nor are you a "Legion." You are all
of this and more. You are, as we are.
I am Zeb, the One Zeb, yet I am a twin with Zarna. Together
we are Two. Our love makes us Three, yet we are Legion. Do not
become too attached to quantifying numbers for in one sense they
are correct, in another incorrect.
13. What you call God, The
Big God, is the "All
Thing."…God is a power of light and darkness--more
complex than human understanding. The complexity of this energy
vibration is such that all biologicals--those created by the
twin-soul energy split, not just humans, can trace their source to
one of the seven powers, entities, beings called by your kind,
God, that work in perfect harmony as One. Each
One concerned with its own kind--like
the spokes of a great wheel. Yet that "kind"
[other created beings] is as diverse as you are from the Grays, as
you call them.
20: 16. The One Thing [The Consortium] is not a God of judgment, condemnation,
commandments, or wrath and vengeance--nor does
"He/She/It" exert "His/Her/Its" will over your
free will. What purpose would there be in giving you free will if
that were the case? We are all created and sent out to create,
experience and become God's Messengers in whatever way we are
20: 19. The separate powers or entities of God (The Consortium of
Seven) have all the same unlimited ability, but focus on their own
kind, their creations.
This is where your understanding is unclear. The energy God of the
biologicals is not concerned with the creations of gaseous
natures--you have an expression that is appropriate here:
"To each his own."
20. A being, intelligent, entity created of argon is too
"alien" for you to even imagine, except in the most
abstract sense, and even then your first thought is in comparison.
Which one is superior? Superiority is something that is common to
many humanoid types about your galaxies. Usually they are the
spiritually un-evolved types.
21. It is because of this nature that your kind represents a
threat to the innocent, alien ET's like the Grays. Why do you
think that your contact with ET's has been so limited? Surely you
are not foolish enough to believe that you are the only
intelligence in all of the universe?
22. There are many things that have special healing and protection
properties, and there are some question whether this is true
without realizing that part of the One God Consortium is the One
over the mineral elements on all the worlds. They are just as much
a part of God as are those of the biological variety (us and you).
know that this does not completely answer all your questions,
(like where did The
Consortium come from? I don’t know). Often when we ask
things out of ZZ’s idea of proper sequence we get an answer such
aren’t ready for that yet.” But it is a beginning
and gives one something to consider. As I understand it, one of
the seven of the Consortium is our original spiritual
progenitor--the One Mother/One Father, Twin Soul duality--the
bioligicals original spiritual parents. In terms of
generations—I believe we—Mel and I—would be the great
great-grandchildren to the Source.
course we are (Mel and I)—in terms of incarnation—old or
Mature Souls. In the grand scheme of things we were told by the
“No Names” that we
are still in preschool. J
This should give a little perspective.
So friends and family, this in an outline of the hierarchy—but
it must be understood that though there are progressions of
spiritual evolution, a hierarchy of evolved souls, we are never
considered by those who came before us or have evolved beyond us,
as less than them. In fact the opposite is true.
I will now close this article with a quote on this from
… As you are to your Composite Soul, you are to us. You are the
perfection, the collimation, of All
of us and therefore carry more development progression than
all your spiritual and physical mothers. You are more
than we--not less, as you assume.
our love and blessings,
you honoring and respecting
the following request…
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